Most common truck in the 'Nam?
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Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 09:48 PM UTC
Oh Gary,
You really have got a lot of work to do!
I've got similar projects to you. I'll need to get in touch with you about the M48. Yeah, I know the one you're doing from the 3/4 Cav book. It's the one with the PSP down the sides, right?
I have the M107 & M110 & also a couple of 113's, too!
Good luck & keep in touch!
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC
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Oh Gary,
You really have got a lot of work to do!
I've got similar projects to you. I'll need to get in touch with you about the M48. Yeah, I know the one you're doing from the 3/4 Cav book. It's the one with the PSP down the sides, right?
I have the M107 & M110 & also a couple of 113's, too!
Good luck & keep in touch!
Joe.
somewhere lost on an old hardrive are some photos from the 3/4 CAV showing them using PSP plate on M113's as well! They must have found a huge stockpile of the older stuff somewhere. Up north all you ever saw was the smooth stuff.
The M48 turret is not right, and one source says it's 2.0mm too low, and another says 2.5mm too low. Yet another says .04". Now these numbers are all over the place! I mean to say that you putting the gap anywhere from .040" to about .100". That's only 1.5mm!! I foresee a lot of discussion and cussin' on an M48 thread in the future!
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gary
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:56 AM UTC
Gary,
Keep in touch about the M48. I'm definitely interested in this one. I'll PM you soon for some info on the beast!
Again, good luck with the project.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 04:59 PM UTC
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Gary,
Keep in touch about the M48. I'm definitely interested in this one. I'll PM you soon for some info on the beast!
Again, good luck with the project.
Joe.
I need to find an M48 on display near here. I have a couple M60's, M47's, M41's, and a pair of M4a1 Shermans. But no M48! I really need to find an M48A3. We had a couple dozen of them nearby, but they must have gotten rid of them. But if an M60 and an M48 share it, your in business. Also in the meantime I'm going to call in a couple markers to try and get in touch with Dwight himself (may have to build an extra 48 here).
Charlie never bothers with the crazy idea of taking a day or two off work for a holiday; he'd rather work right thru them!!
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 06:29 PM UTC
Joe,
you need to head over to the FSM armor board and take a serious look at Gino's M48 he's in the process of doing! It's a little different than a Vietnam era one, but the hull is the same as well as 80% of the turret
gary
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:37 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Okay, will do!
Joe.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 02:50 PM UTC
the AFV M35 is actually an M35 A2 as it has its exhaust stack pointing upwards. as far as i am aware the M35 A1 had its exhaust either behind the right front wheel or running back and appearing on the right hand side between the boggie wheels. wafu
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Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:28 PM UTC
Hi Des,
Thanks for your input. I'll watch out for that!
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 08:32 AM UTC
Finally, at last, I received the M52 6X6 Tractor with M127 trailer; M543 Medium Wrecker & "Eve of Destruction" Guntruck from Real Model today after a month & a half of waiting!
Oh, they are beautiful kits! I cant wait to have a crack at these!
Any questions, get in touch.
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 02:39 PM UTC
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Finally, at last, I received the M52 6X6 Tractor with M127 trailer; M543 Medium Wrecker & "Eve of Destruction" Guntruck from Real Model today after a month & a half of waiting!
Oh, they are beautiful kits! I cant wait to have a crack at these!
Any questions, get in touch.
Joe.
first of all I'm glad to see you made it out of there! I told you more than once to always carry two flashlights with you when your in there exploring those tunnels! How did you like the food down there? Spoiled rice & fish heads? I'd have came down there to get you, but my waist line forbids it nowadays! Glad your back.
Charlie has a new job opening for anyone interested. Seems that the local political officer and his aids managed to trip a five layer mechanical a few hundred yards northwest of the Pineapple Forest. Food's better than the usual rat meat, and you actually do have a bed.
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 08:22 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
Okay, I need a little clarification. I'm just about to start building an M35A1 deuce & a half with the AFV Club #AF35034 Gun Truck. I've decided to build the cargo truck version from the kit & use the quad 50 in something else; like perimeter defence, mabye. (Future thread title?).
My question is this: On the M35A1 version where the exhaust runs out towards the starboard side rear wheels, would there still be a hole in the starboard side fender to allow an exhaust to run up vertically near the cab (as on the M35A2)?
On the kits' right fender is a hole to fit the exhaust pipe through (A2 version). Do I have to fill this hole?
Thanks guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 08:25 PM UTC
Oh, & one more thing: Apparently D-Toys is releasing a resin M35 wheels set (#DT35-021). Has this set been released yet & if so, where can I get it from?
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 05:23 AM UTC
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Hi fellas,
Okay, I need a little clarification. I'm just about to start building an M35A1 deuce & a half with the AFV Club #AF35034 Gun Truck. I've decided to build the cargo truck version from the kit & use the quad 50 in something else; like perimeter defence, mabye. (Future thread title?).
My question is this: On the M35A1 version where the exhaust runs out towards the starboard side rear wheels, would there still be a hole in the starboard side fender to allow an exhaust to run up vertically near the cab (as on the M35A2)?
On the kits' right fender is a hole to fit the exhaust pipe through (A2 version). Do I have to fill this hole?
Thanks guys.
Joe.
ours had the horizontal exhaust pipe, and I don't remember there being a hole in the fender. Also, if the kit comes with the ring to mount an M2 Browning, then leave it off unless you plan on doing the truck as something out of an infantry unit. Does the truck come with a winch? If not it will need one. Remember no canvas top over the cab and really the tarp over the back was long gone withing three months of use. Put a layer of sandbags in the cab floor, and your ready to goto the PX
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 06:33 AM UTC
Here's an early (1953) M35A2 (fitted with late rear lights btw...) :
The front right fender should be the same for an early A1
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 05:36 PM UTC
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Hi fellas,
Okay, I need a little clarification. I'm just about to start building an M35A1 deuce & a half with the AFV Club #AF35034 Gun Truck. I've decided to build the cargo truck version from the kit & use the quad 50 in something else; like perimeter defence, mabye. (Future thread title?).
My question is this: On the M35A1 version where the exhaust runs out towards the starboard side rear wheels, would there still be a hole in the starboard side fender to allow an exhaust to run up vertically near the cab (as on the M35A2)?
On the kits' right fender is a hole to fit the exhaust pipe through (A2 version). Do I have to fill this hole?
Thanks guys.
Joe.
Yes, you would need to fill the hole. NO M35A1 had the hole in the fender (unless later rebuilt to late M35A2 standards). The M35A1 was introduced in 1961, and remained in production until June 1965, when the M35A2 was introduced - but even then the exhaust remained horizontal. The vertical exhaust did not come about until 1969, and this was changed to a slghtly larger also-vertical pipe the early 1970s (exact date escapes me at the moment).
If the truck shown above was indeed built in 1953, it was built as a M35, with a gasoline engine, and later rebuilt to M35A2 standards. The "kit" issued to do this included a new right front fender (although oftentimes the depot merely torched a hole in the fender, and placed the new fender into the repair parts inventory).
Hope this helps,
David Doyle
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 05:59 PM UTC
Okay guys,
Thanks very much indeed. So, I'll have to fill that hole! Any ideas how to go about this as this isn't going to be as straight forward as it looks?
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 06:04 PM UTC
Gary,
Yes, the kit does come with a winch. Did all trucks in Vietnam have winches? Did they all lose the canvas cover over the cap? Were there any hard tops in Vietnam?
And when the truck lost its canvas cargo cover did the arched supports get taken out too?
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 06:04 PM UTC
Thanks for the info David. In fact I was a bit dubious about this picture, but I hadn't found any date for the A1 and A2 variants launches...
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 07:20 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
I've got 2x AFV Club M35A2 Cargo Trucks (#AF 3504) here that I'd like to turn into the A1 version. However, this kit doesn't come with the horizontal exhaust system. Does anybody have a couple of the horizontal exhaust systems for this kit in their spare parts box that you may like to send my way? Please? (Part #M-12 from M35A1 Gun Truck #AF 35034).
Or even swap kits? I'll send you a brand new M35A2 (#AF 3504) & you send the M35A1 gun truck (#AF 35034). Any takers?
Or, is it worth contacting AFV Club directly to get the spare parts from them? Has anybody tried this method?
Any & all help is greatly appreciated on this one guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 11:42 PM UTC
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Hi fellas,
I've got 2x AFV Club M35A2 Cargo Trucks (#AF 3504) here that I'd like to turn into the A1 version. However, this kit doesn't come with the horizontal exhaust system. Does anybody have a couple of the horizontal exhaust systems for this kit in their spare parts box that you may like to send my way? Please? (Part #M-12 from M35A1 Gun Truck #AF 35034).
Or even swap kits? I'll send you a brand new M35A2 (#AF 3504) & you send the M35A1 gun truck (#AF 35034). Any takers?
Or, is it worth contacting AFV Club directly to get the spare parts from them? Has anybody tried this method?
Any & all help is greatly appreciated on this one guys.
Joe.
Joe,
It might be easier to get some Evergreen styrene tube and using the M35A1 guntruck exhaust as the template making your own exhausts? This what I plan to do with my M35A2's.
As for the hole in the fender, glue a thin piece of styrene sheet on the underside and then use a bit of filler to fill in the dip on the top side. I did this on my Sopwith Camel gun truck and it woked a treat.
Cheers
David
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 04:02 AM UTC
The ratio of winch to non-winch trucks PRODUCED was determined by the contract. Keep in mind that these trucks (the G-742 series/ M35-style trucks) were produced by a lot of companies (9 come immediately to mind) over a lot of years (1949-1988) - so there are a lot of contracts.
The highest ratio I have seen documentation of is 1 in 2 trucks, the lowest ration I've seen documented is 1 in 20. However, the TOE of the unit would dictate the type of equipment it received, and the ratio of winch to non-winch truck in the unit.
HTH,
David Doyle
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 04:43 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
Okay, thanks David (in England) for the tips. I'll give them a go later. At the moment I'm putting the chassis & suspension together but there are a lot of small parts to clean up! Still, having fun!
Thanks David (in the US) for your info on the winch. I think I will add the winch to this one just to see if I can build it!
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 06:10 AM UTC
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The ratio of winch to non-winch trucks PRODUCED was determined by the contract. Keep in mind that these trucks (the G-742 series/ M35-style trucks) were produced by a lot of companies (9 come immediately to mind) over a lot of years (1949-1988) - so there are a lot of contracts.
The highest ratio I have seen documentation of is 1 in 2 trucks, the lowest ration I've seen documented is 1 in 20. However, the TOE of the unit would dictate the type of equipment it received, and the ratio of winch to non-winch truck in the unit.
HTH,
David Doyle
I never saw a 6x6 or bigger in country that did not have the winch on the front. Maybe in Siagon, but not out on the roads. When the monsoon rolled thru you soon learned why you had a winch.
Stateside 6x6's mostly had Hydramatic transmissions (sort of a crude pre Allison truck transmission). All the ones I saw in country were strait sticks (once again maybe in Saigon, but not out in the country). The transmission will be similar to what is in the 10 ton and larger trucks. Also most every truck I ever saw larger than a 3/4 ton stayed in all wheel drive; if they were not locked into it. One of the great joys in life is rolling down a dirt road at seventy mph with the windshield layed down and your feet propped up ontop the dash in a five ton.
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 06:00 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Yeah, I'm going to put the winch on the model because I remembered you had mentioned about the winch before somewhere in this thread. Is the one in the kit okay to use or is there a better AM option?
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 06:19 PM UTC
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Hi Gary,
Yeah, I'm going to put the winch on the model because I remembered you had mentioned about the winch before somewhere in this thread. Is the one in the kit okay to use or is there a better AM option?
Joe.
I never built that particular kit, and have been on the hunt for one about a year now (I want the early one). So I really don't know what their winch looks like, but I do have at least one gun truck somewhere in the ever growing stash, and it seems that it came with a winch that looked right. I've seen them winch out everything from an M113 to a bull dozer.
gary
